Book of Mormon Contradictions? Paul Gee and Timothy Berman Discuss Mosiah 18

Tonight, Faith & Reason hosts a focused livestream discussion between Paul Gee and Timothy R. Berman examining one of the central arguments raised against the Book of Mormon: the claim that Mosiah 18 contains biblical and historical contradictions.

The discussion will stream live directly on this page.

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Date: July 14, 2026
Time: 4:30 PM Pacific / 5:30 PM Mountain
Participants: Paul Gee and Timothy R. Berman
Topic: Baptism and the Church in Mosiah 18

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What the Divinity of Jesus Christ Means to You

Why Jesus Alone Could Accomplish the Infinite and Eternal Atonement

What manner of man commands the wind and sea—and they obey Him? He who speaks to the chaotic elements and they submit to His will, revealing His divine authority over nature itself. His voice echoes through the storm, bringing peace where there was turmoil, demonstrating an unparalleled mastery that transcends human understanding.

What manner of man possesses the power to lay down His life and take it up again? He who, with the authority inherent to His being, presents the ultimate sacrifice, fully aware of the weight of such a decision. In laying down His life, He unveils the profound mystery of love and redemption. The same strength that allows Him to give Himself away also empowers Him to conquer death, rising triumphantly to provide hope and eternal life to humanity.

What manner of man suffers more than mortal humanity can endure, yet remains until the work of redemption is complete? He bears the weight of all humanity’s sins, feeling the depths of anguish and despair, yet persevering through the agony to fulfill His purpose. His empathy is boundless, experiencing sorrow in ways that only a divine nature could comprehend. In His endurance, He illustrates the profound depth of grace, revealing that true strength is often displayed in vulnerability and unwavering commitment to a higher calling, despite the unbearable cost.

This man is a testament to the coexistence of power and humility, a divine figure whose actions reshape the narrative of humanity’s relationship with the Creator. His life and legacy stand as an eternal beacon of hope, a call to embrace the extraordinary potential within each of us to rise above our circumstances and to foster love, compassion, and redemption in a world so often in need of these gifts.

These questions stand at the center of Doctrine Lesson 6, “What the Divinity of Jesus Christ Means to You,” from the 1974–75 Melchizedek Priesthood study guide When Thou Art Converted, Strengthen Thy Brethren. The lesson’s purpose was not merely to establish that Jesus was extraordinary. It invited priesthood holders to understand why Jesus Christ alone possessed power to accomplish the infinite and eternal Atonement—and why every one of us remains completely dependent upon Him.

Nearly five decades later, that central purpose remains unchanged. Some of the language used in the original lesson, however, has generated theological questions and apologetic controversy. In particular, statements by James E. Talmage and Bruce R. McConkie about Christ’s literal divine sonship have been interpreted by critics as teaching that God the Father physically descended and engaged in sexual intercourse with Mary.

A responsible modern treatment must do more than dismiss that criticism. It must distinguish among what scripture reveals, what individual Church leaders have proposed or speculated, and what the Church currently teaches as established doctrine.

It is best we do not allow controversy over the manner of Christ’s conception to distract us from the greater truth: Jesus Christ did for us what we could never do for ourselves.

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Theological Insights: Theosis and Salvation Explained

Is it possible to be 100% sincere, biblically literate, and yet still miss the full picture of what God is doing today? In this video, we see a passionate Pastor engaging with young missionaries. It’s a scene that plays out thousands of times a day: a collision of two worldviews that both claim to love Jesus. But if we look past the surface-level debate, we find that the questions being asked—Who is God? How are we saved? Can we become like Him? —have answers that are far more profound, ancient, and biblically supported than the standard ‘creedal’ narrative suggests.

We aren’t here to attack this, Pastor. He clearly loves the Bible and cares about salvation. Instead, we are going to do something rare in internet comments: we are going to treat his arguments with respect, ‘steelman’ his position, and then demonstrate why the Restored Gospel offers a more robust, scripturally complete answer to the very questions he raises.

There is a YouTube video of a Pastor engaging in a discussion with Latter-day Saint Missionaries that seems to be making rounds on Facebook. In one group, a person posted this video with the caption: Can humans become gods? In this powerful gospel conversation with two Mormon Missionaries, we talk about what the Bible actually teaches about Salvation. The post also includes a link to Pastor confronts Mormon Claim: “We Can Become Gods”.

In response to this intriguing video, I suggested in the comments that it would be beneficial to host a livestream discussion to delve deeper into the topic. A live format would allow for real-time interaction and a more dynamic exchange of ideas, enabling us to explore the complexities of this theological debate as they arise. Engaging in a live discussion can provide clarity and foster a better understanding of the perspectives from both sides, especially when critics are making public claims regarding the LDS Faith.

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Why Modern Critiques of The Seer Miss the Point: A Contextual LDS Perspective

Context Matters: What The Seer Actually Says

What if the fiercest warnings in 19th-century Latter-day Saint prophecy weren’t threats—but invitations? Two critics of the LDS Faith attempted to quote Orson Pratt’s The Seer to paint a picture of doom and coercion. But the full text tells a different story—one of covenant, consequence, and mercy.

Recent blog posts from Life After Ministry and Glenn E. Chatfield cite Pratt’s statements as proof of a “false gospel.” Yet their critiques rely on selective excerpts and logical shortcuts. When we examine the full passage from The Seer, we uncover a nuanced prophetic framework rooted in biblical tradition. I want to explore the rhetorical style, theological assumptions, and historical context behind Pratt’s words—and offers a steelman response that honors both faith and reason.

These two critics attempt to cite Orson Pratt’s statements from The Seer, Volume II, No. 2 (Feb 1854), pp. 215–216, as evidence of extreme or coercive theology. However, the full passage reveals a layered prophetic warning, not a simplistic condemnation. Pratt’s rhetorical style is apocalyptic, drawing from biblical precedent (e.g., Jeremiah, Isaiah, Revelation) to frame national repentance as a spiritual imperative. His language mirrors Old Testament prophets who warned Israel of destruction unless they turned to God.

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